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| vin_diesel |
heres an explosive poll...for all of us...immigrants to canada... theres alwyas an aggressive argument on both sides whether immigrating to Canada is for da good or worse? this shud b intresting.... |
| edwardchiu |
| It's too soon to tell. |
| Keith |
| May be Vin should tell us how he / she voted. Or she / he is the ma'am / sir correcting the amswer we submitted?
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| vin_diesel |
| i think i voted good!.... only because we get a shot to make something outta our life here....even tho its lil tuff!!
and yes this is a poll set up by me and i am da moderator here for STC forum . Editing/deleting/Manipulation of polls answers is not feasible or practised by other mods.
in fact, we all welcome n encourage any healthy debate/criticism/argument of any topic/thread. thank you for ur participation.
P.s. i am just a dude/guy. |
| dutyfree |
| Canada sucks.. those who migrated also suck... deserters!!!
A land thats filled with snow and temperature that hovers around the -40 mark... geez.. now wonder people have such a cold heart... no pun intended. [xx(]
[V][V]
no names calling...-diesel |
| Jackal |
quote:
Originally posted by dutyfree
Canada sucks.. those who migrated also suck... deserters!!!
A land thats filled with snow and temperature that hovers around the -40 mark... geez.. now wonder people have such a cold heart... no pun intended. [xx(]
[V][V]
Wow, if what you said is true. Now, I gotta think twice.. |
| edwardchiu |
| I voted "Good," but as I said, it's too soon to tell. I've only been in Canada four years and this is one of those questions whose answer changes with life, circumstances, etc. [:)>-]
Having said that, I would advise anyone who can make the move right now, to do so as soon as possible and then decide whether it's good or not. [:p] Because later on, you might not be able to. And then it's a moot question. |
| dutyfree |
| Canada is a rotten country, your heart ...your soul.. everything in your head rots too.
Above all, you keep paying mortgage all your f-life and put on that lovely plastic smile. [:-SS] |
| edwardchiu |
I hope this comment is based on your own experience. [:-?] Can you tell us how your heart and soul and everything in your head rotted from migrating to Canada? (Not just studying or visiting...) Facts, please.
quote:
Originally posted by dutyfree
Canada is a rotten country, your heart ...your soul.. everything in your head rots too.
Above all, you keep paying mortgage all your f-life and put on that lovely plastic smile. [:-SS]
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| edwardchiu |
| There are many points of comparison between Canada/USA and Europe, but when it comes to immigration, there's no question: the choice is between Canada and the US or Australia and New Zealand. Europe is closed to most third world countries [:(!] and except for the UK, isn't an English-speaking place.
Secondly, I've met people who've moved to Toronto from Vienna, Hamburg, Sweden, London even, so apparently, we Indian Chinese aren't always looking for top-class living standards in our choice of country. Rather, there's a strong sense of community that draws us to our own kind... much like how we always return to this site even after a long absence. [>:D<]
PS - Weather on one day in one location is colder than the average of a whole continent that includes hothouses like Sicily and Spain. So? And besides, average of how many years? |
| steffi_ching |
quote:
Originally posted by dutyfree
Canada sucks.. those who migrated also suck... deserters!!!
A land thats filled with snow and temperature that hovers around the -40 mark... geez.. now wonder people have such a cold heart... no pun intended. [xx(]
[V][V]
no names calling...-diesel
Someone is saying this perhaps because of his rejected application for immigration to Canada ...[:D] |
| Keith |
| Would people who are against Canada suggest that folks stay back in India?
Where you are physically present but don't belong?
Where you are treated different and have to pay more at the very least?
Where you feel things are not all right even though you have done nothing wrong?
Where there are opportunities but you are never able to take advantage of?
Well, me feel Canada offers an escape from all these.
After the mortgage is paid. You own a piece of property that is totally yours. |
| edwardchiu |
| Great. Now answer the temperature part. [:p] |
| vin_diesel |
| every place has it pro's n cons.... go to that thread n u will find da ans...lolz.. yes canada is different n ppl take time to settle down a bit....but any new place wud require dat.... ppl are focusing too much on da con here... comparision wit europe means u wud rather go to europe than canada??? i dont tink so.... apart frm uk...u wudnt even think of goin there.... europe has a bigger prob of assimilating new immigrants n muslim para are cropping up in france germany spain netherlands!! n its creating headaches for da govt!!!
if ur thinking immigration wot are ur options??? tw is closed...overflwoing plus most ppl who migrate there somehow dont stay there long n move here!!! got to be a reason..... Canada is a ddecent deal but life is different here!!
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| roger |
quote:
Originally posted by dollar
"I've met people who've moved to Toronto from Vienna, Hamburg, Sweden, London even, so apparently, we Indian Chinese aren't always looking for top-class living standards in our choice of country. Rather, there's a strong sense of community that draws us to our own kind... much like how we always return to this site even after a long absence. [>:D<]
Damn it, this is one post that I read it carefully, packed with information. Either I pay more attention to newbie or this is intersting. [:)] Either way, help me answer some of these questions.
quote:
And I've met Indian Chinese who lived in Europe for several years, got their coveted European passports, and then emigrated to Canada, mostly to Toronto--drawn by a strong sense of community I guess. But guess what? They wasted a couple of years jobless or failed in business ventures (can't compete with HKies) there, exhausted their savings, & they eventually moved back to Europe only to start from scratch again, disenchanted & convinced that the grass ain't greener on the other side after all.
Yes, people earn a lot more in Europe but ChineseIndian still loves to live among themselves and so they move to Canada.
So what do you think is the advantage for Honkies? I want to know, what makes them fare better than us?
quote:
Let's face it, overseas chinese are primarily economic immigrants in searh of (better) job/business opportunities abroad, not necessarily 'looking for a community of our own kind.' I'd rather live in a non-English speaking country, earn substantially more in numerical terms + in a strong currency & enjoy top-class living standard. If I ever long for a strong sense of community, I can afford to fly to those places - I'm entitled to 6 weeks paid vacation per year + with a currency that's 50% stronger than the Loonie, the world is a bargain.
"except for the UK, isn't an English-speaking place"
So? A glass is either half full or half empty, depends on how you look at it. Opportunists would capitalize on their strengths in Europe. That should give an unfair competitive advantage to English-speaking people here pursuing careers with global corporations where English is the working language. Your fluent English skills won't take you far in English-speaking places like Canada; no wonder you see highly qualified (PhDs), English-speaking immigrants delivering pizzas & driving cabs there.
So, at then the end, it depends on whether one chooses to earn more or to socialise more. Tough choice.
And BTW, Welcome to the Forum. [img]http://www.wowchinese.com/moderator/smileys/welcome.gif[/img]
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| edwardchiu |
Word, man, word!! [^] [^] [^]
quote:
Originally posted by Keith
Would people who are against Canada suggest that folks stay back in India?
Where you are physically present but don't belong?
Where you are treated different and have to pay more at the very least?
Where you feel things are not all right even though you have done nothing wrong?
Where there are opportunities but you are never able to take advantage of?
Well, me feel Canada offers an escape from all these.
After the mortgage is paid. You own a piece of property that is totally yours.
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| dutyfree |
| No one was rejected and neither dejected. I just tried to make this forum more lively by raking up the issue. [8-}]
"Oh Canada ......."[:I]
I think Canada by far would be the most prominent country on earth for IBCs interms of settling down.
Canada has good medical benefits that provides a cushion of comfort for the old and retired people not to forget the pensions too.
With US being its neighbor..offers a getaway and also an opportunity for short trips and visits to relatives.
I wonder why the CDN $ is increasing by leaps and bounds...any reasons?
[:I]
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| vin_diesel |
| a nick wit dollar glorifying euro? dinar is so high! da best place to live on earth??? well forex is not a barometer to economic well being of a country. CDN$ rate tho market determined is always influenced wit Bank of Canada nudge towards deflated value vis a vis US$ simple coz 85% of cdn exports is for usa (frm my eco classes)then y does pound not join euro...?i bet u cam come up wit ur layman understanding of an un-macroeconomics answer
europe does work less....if i remmeber correctly germany has up2 6 to 8 weeks of paid leave per yr n most co r lobbying hard to reverse that trend! americans by far puts in most of da hours... is top5 most productive per person, value of its real gdp per person is top 5 again and therefore is da 1 economy in da world(socio n mgt class)
wrong for me to criticise europe per se..illogical criticism is not my style..... every democracy is formed wit its own logic n experiences. canada n whereever u r frm is no different.eg sweden has da most spare populace. my fren who is there thinks its a jungle.he has lotsa euro wit him in his lil home in da jungle n often he meets ppl who he cant speak to coz he dunno swedish or german!swedish love da isolation???
btw north america n europe most of it share da same climatic conditions!! same latitude!!
positives abt Ca...OHIP.OAS.CPP.TTC...n hi standards pof living. |
| dutyfree |
| canada is good for holidays where relatives are there to take you around but if you are planning to settle down ...then you probably think of taking a vacation every 5 yrs or so. [:))] |
| Jackal |
quote:
Originally posted by dutyfree
canada is good for holidays where relatives are there to take you around but if you are planning to settle down ...then you probably think of taking a vacation every 5 yrs or so. [:))]
May I add a point here ? Relatives who are loaded and have the time and not MISERS after living and merging into the kweilow life.. OR YOU take a load of cash there ready to spend so that they will be happy to take you out !!! |
| edwardchiu |
| There're more non-immigrants giving their views here than informed people. [;)] Out of this whole thread, I can just see Vin and I who're qualified to comment. [:(] Where's MiBe, Wing, Bren (student, but still...) etc.? |
| Keith |
quote:
Originally posted by edwardchiu
There're more non-immigrants giving their views here than informed people. [;)] Out of this whole thread, I can just see Vin and I who're qualified to comment. [:(] Where's MiBe, Wing, Bren (student, but still...) etc.?
Is this thread exlusive to immigrants already in Canada? would be immigrants? prospective immigrants??
While waiting for a reply, may I chip in :
quote:
Originally posted by dollar
ok, Canada is the best place to live on earth, has the best climate, best economy, best indian chinese community, simply da best. Happy now? [:)>-]
Comparison is relative. It is never absolute.
THE BEST IS YET TO COME.
Today's Best is not necessarily tomorrow's.
Canadian Economy is the best???? [:))][=P~][:-SS] |
| edwardchiu |
quote:
Originally posted by Keith
quote:
Originally posted by edwardchiu
There're more non-immigrants giving their views here than informed people. [;)] Out of this whole thread, I can just see Vin and I who're qualified to comment. [:(] Where's MiBe, Wing, Bren (student, but still...) etc.?
Is this thread exlusive to immigrants already in Canada? would be immigrants? prospective immigrants??
Yes, it is for people already in Canada. [:p] As the question says, "for all of us... immigrants to canada..." We're interested in learning what people think of their stay in Canada, not what people imagine happens to Indian Chinese when they leave India for Canada. This isn't even about Europe, so that argument is best ignored.
<<snip>>
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| Keith |
| Is that the moderator?
Are you replying from where you consider this thread is meant for ?? |
| vin_diesel |
| well i actually read the report on da bus an hr back before i logged in///.. and the above posted is an edited version of the article....u missed out key things...it goes on to states abt a afghan male nurse who under the Govt of Canada initiated CARE program has managed to get his nursing license in Ontario. Govt is already trying to help and is being pushed for more.....rightly so. i think da report printed on the star was balanced and represented both point of views while da the one above is NOT.
and i think the UofT paper is significant coz most Govt officials rely on these kind of stats to base thier judgement/policy.
well i reallly hoped current n prospective immiggrants who are knowledgeble like dollar edward to write their views abt it, and disseminate info to interested ppl like jackal and roger to name a few!!!
[:)>-] |
| shapeshifter |
| [:D][:D][:D][^][^][^][^][:p]Canada = [^][*-:)][8D][:)>-][<:-P][^][^][:p][:)][:D][:)]
"oh Canada , our home and native, true patriot love in all our sons command....(whats after this???..dunno [xx(]) lol
(grrr je n'aime pas francais) |
| Jackal |
quote:
Originally posted by vin_diesel
well i reallly hoped current n prospective immiggrants who are knowledgeble like dollar edward to write their views abt it, and disseminate info to interested ppl like jackal and roger to name a few!!!
[:)>-]
Not a bad idea.... |
| dctpl |
| CA NA DA is the most Democratic-Communist country i have ever see folks. I hope people immigrating there like it all their life all the same !!!!!!!!! |
| dctplc |
| Folks i don't see any good in CA NA DA or the psspt.. It is only valid for 5 years and renewing it every 4-1/2 years is a hassle and TOO EXPENSIVE. Heavy snow, heavy tax, high maintainence for your car and house makes you a slave of that country. You have nothing left in your pocket after slogging there ten years and your position is still square one but you are ten years older. India is flourishing with China, like 40 years ago when we moved out of India. Theres no place like home !!!!!!!!! |
| Keith |
| Home as in Canada? India? China? |
| Jackal |
| You guys wanted to hear it from the MOUTH of a person LIVING in Canada.. Here is an email from my cousin I received just two days back:
Quote" Hi Ed,
Yes, unfortunately this is true. New immgrants are
having a very tough time. Housing is very expensive in
Toronto now and since the majority of jobs now seem to
be on a contract basis, banks are reluctant to give
these people mortgage loans. As well, most immigrants
have no alternative but to take the lower paying jobs,
and their income is not sufficient to be eligible for
mortgage loans.
I'm glad we came here in the 1970s. If I was young I
wouldn't emigrate to Canada. A lot of people who came
from Hong Kong are returning. Hundreds of thousands
have left Canada.
Australia is now the country to emigrate to. That
country was very prejudiced against non-whites about
30 years ago, but not now.
Love coz Lena " unquote.
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| dutyfree |
| Everyone has their own practical experiences to the way of life in canada and hence it would definitely differ. But people who would would go will definitely go there... come what may...tsunami or no.
So what abt the other chinese people there? how are they surviving? lol
[}:)]
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| Jackal |
quote:
Originally posted by dutyfree
Everyone has their own practical experiences to the way of life in canada and hence it would definitely differ. But people who would would go will definitely go there... come what may...tsunami or no.
So what abt the other chinese people there? how are they surviving? lol
[}:)]
Yes, you used the right word "SURVIVING", that too barely!! Not living the so called " American dream " !! |
| dutyfree |
| I do not know much abt the so called "American Dream but given the opition of India and Abroad...people would definitely opt for the latter.
Lets be honest ...the indian guys are doomed.. [:I] |
| Keith |
| Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I agree with Dutyfree. Many people want to go to Canada come what may.
When there is will there is a way.
In fact, I do not hold out much hope for Taiwan. I think Taiwan will become an empty shell in next 5-10 years. Especially with DPP in power.
By hook or by crook, all types of Taiwanese businesses have started investing in Taiwan. There are numerous cases of Businesses taking loans in Taiwan to invest in China. Taiwanese banks are burdened with unproductive debts. |
| dctpl |
| Posted - 2005 Feb 21 : 07:43:27
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Home as in Canada? India? China?
home as in the place u were born and brought up. |
| vin_diesel |
| its Canadian topic!!
accordint to various reports n white papers china will b the second largest eco....wit india as the third largest eco in a decade or two, with sensible economic decisions!! canada will be 11th....investment decisions r made on returns.... n india n china r booming.
life is diffrent in Ca...dats for sure........economy wise....its darwin purely....well if ur ready to slog theres $$$ and if u have education therees $$$.... am not so much comparing wit other countries....aussie has its streghts in weather...but if u look eco wise...i think its all da same...all western societies are...mortgage, insurance, bills.....its jus when u migrate anywhere...ur expected to start frm scratch.....n dat is tuff.... most will somehow make it........miraculously ~~ its just how long n how nice |
| dctplc |
| I would like to know how many of us immigrants to Canada are making CAD24 bucks an hour and here these guys are still striking for more money ?? If your are a unionized worker congratulations, you don't have to worry about your pay raise, and the job you do is all outlined and bordered you don't have to do others work, but if you are not, as jackal said in his coz's email u get the lowest pay jobs working in Mcd's BurgerK's etc.For your lifetime in Canada u will hear things of the following.
"""And with City Hall warning it's already experiencing a huge budget shortfall, there are fears that could mean a strike or lockout may be in the offing by mid-April.
The union is already planning for the scenario, launching a campaign to sign up as many workers for picket duty as possible before March 10th.
Under the current agreement, drivers make around $24.32 an hour. They're looking for more than that from City Hall, and while Mayor David Miller's accountants know they can't really afford a lot of extras, they also realize what could happen if a settlement isn't reached before the looming deadline.""" |
| Jackal |
quote:
Originally posted by dutyfree
I do not know much abt the so called "American Dream but given the opition of India and Abroad...people would definitely opt for the latter.
Lets be honest ...the indian guys are doomed.. [:I]
Hey guys, do you know something ? The grass looks greener on the other side of the fence, but when you go over you discover it is also as difficult to "chew" !!! |
| dutyfree |
| I think grass always look greener on the other side, but go and tell the ppl who wanna migrate. lol [:I] |
| Jackal |
quote:
Originally posted by Keith
I agree with Dutyfree. Many people want to go to Canada come what may.
Quote Dutyfree "
I think grass always look greener on the other side, but go and tell the ppl who wanna migrate. "
Frankly speaking, if you go straight from a place from Cal or Bangladesh/ Cuba, you will feel Canada is " paradise ", but that too only if you have no way out or living an average life in your home country. Ask the people who owned tanneries or big businesses in India and went over. Let's hear their feelings now ?
In fact, I do not hold out much hope for Taiwan. I think Taiwan will become an empty shell in next 5-10 years. Especially with DPP in power.
By hook or by crook, all types of Taiwanese businesses have started investing in Taiwan. There are numerous cases of Businesses taking loans in Taiwan to invest in China. Taiwanese banks are burdened with unproductive debts.
As for this, it is just propaganda. Live ten years in the Far East like Singapore, Taiwan or Hongkong and you will be ready for retirement. But live ten years in Canada and you are still in square one ( except for the fresh air and cleaner environment ).
People in the FAR East have more purchasing power. Guess where the most number of Rolls Royce and BMWs were sold last year ? Answer: Honkong and Taiwan respectively.. In Tainan alone they sold 375 BMWs and 2,140 Lexus RX 330. If you have lived in the FAR East, you wouldn't like the Canadian way of life a bit. In the Far East you are equal with the locals and in many ways you excel them too.. but THERE.... you are just a second class citizen. This is from the mouth of a person who has lived it, seen it and experienced it.. You want real facts and figures I can give you....
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| Keith |
quote:
Originally posted by Jackal
You guys wanted to hear it from the MOUTH of a person LIVING in Canada.. Here is an email from my cousin I received just two days back:
Quote" Hi Ed,
Yes, unfortunately this is true. New immgrants are
having a very tough time. Housing is very expensive in
Toronto now and since the majority of jobs now seem to
be on a contract basis, banks are reluctant to give
these people mortgage loans. As well, most immigrants
have no alternative but to take the lower paying jobs,
and their income is not sufficient to be eligible for
mortgage loans.
I'm glad we came here in the 1970s. If I was young I
wouldn't emigrate to Canada. A lot of people who came
from Hong Kong are returning. Hundreds of thousands
have left Canada.
Australia is now the country to emigrate to. That
country was very prejudiced against non-whites about
30 years ago, but not now.
Love coz Lena " unquote.
What caused this to happen?? |
| Jackal |
quote:
Originally posted by Keith
[quote][i]What caused this to happen??
Simple logic, TOO MANY immigrants and wrong use and manupualtion of the "welfare" programs... |
| vin_diesel |
quote:
Originally posted by Jackal
quote:
Originally posted by Keith
[quote][i]What caused this to happen??
Simple logic, TOO MANY immigrants and wrong use and manupualtion of the "welfare" programs...
not really...aus Ca usa n most western societies are in for da retirement of da baby boomers... hence the engine of these economies wud be driven by immigration...so hence da lax immigration laws.
n CA has a surplus of billions of $$$ ,,, jackal coz did paint a bad picture...but again every person coming over is a different situation.... u still hear da american dream story of some mr gupta coming wit 108$ n owning a hilton express hotel now.... or da story of some phd dude delivering pizza.... ur career choices n u being at da rite place at da rite time will determine ur future...n of course frens at goood hi position wud help too[;;)] n eveyr newbie gota slog it out.....under darwin's rule.... |
| Jackal |
quote:
Originally posted by vin_diesel
n CA has a surplus of billions of $$$
And what about the citizens or common people ?
You know something, RICH people in Canada could be classified as another "ethnic MINORITY group" if you know my meaning. The money you earned and saved in the FAR EAST ( Hong Kong or Taiwan ) taken there is taxed and shrunk too due to the exchange rate... That same money (which was not earned there), put it in Fixed Deposit Account, the interest is taxed. ( That was more than ten years ago when the interest rate was still 6%, now is "laddu") Take whatever is left after your interest or salary is taxed, come out to spend it, again pay GST and VAT on anything you buy. Become a Canadian citizen, get some income from abroad coming in, it is again taxed. What a country..
,,, jackal coz did paint a bad picture...
She couldn't be wrong cos she has been working in CIBC for the past twenty years in the Forex Dept.
but again every person coming over is a different situation.... u still hear da american dream story of some mr gupta coming wit 108$ n owning a hilton express hotel now....
This is money brought in from outside not earned there. As I mentioned above....
or da story of some phd dude delivering pizza....
and this, is indeed pathetic. For example, Nurses had the highest "score" in the point system as PROFESSION ten years ago when applying for immigration to Canada. When they went over where did they end up ? McDonald's and Tim Hortens..
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| Keith |
| [quoteSimple logic, TOO MANY immigrants and wrong use and manupualtion of the "welfare" programs...
[/quote]
Going by this logic, the Canadian Govt. is the most illogical of all. It is comitting suicide? Why still allow/encourage immigration when there are already TOO MANY ?
Obviously, the people 'up there' see things differently, they have better view?
My humble observation is that govt. thinks the present lot of immigrants are not good enough, the assumption is The best is yet to come??
Why the person quoted discourage people when the govt. is still encouraging immigration? |
| dctpl |
| T.T.C. TAKE THE CAR AND THIS IS WHAT U HEAR EVERY YEAR !!!
TTC fares go up on Sunday. Tickets and tokens will set you back another dime and cash fares will be $2.50. The price of a metropass won't change. If you have old tickets you have to use them up by the end of the month.
Heavy Tax, Heavy Snow, Heavy Maintainance. Gasoline is 75 Cents a Litre today jumping from 65 cents last week !!! Next comes the pay increase for drivers !!!![=D>]
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| dctplc |
| Yeah DC you are right, and would u like to hear where and who is spending your hard earned dollars ?? read below
The 44 politicians who represent taxpayers across Toronto spent nearly $2 million in office expenses, travel and overtime last year.
Councillors are each given a office budget of $53,100. Councillor Howard Moscoe was the biggest spender, ending the year with just $3 left unspent.
Most councillors say the money they spend is essential to meet the needs of the people they're elected to represent.
Councillor Giorgio Mammoliti racked up a 75 hundred dollar cell phone and pager bill, but he tells he has a good excuse. "I'm a politician, I talk for a living."
The office budgets are on top of the $84 715 dollar base salary for councillors along with $16 428 dollars in benefits.
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| Jackal |
quote:
Originally posted by dctplc
Yeah DC you are right, and would u like to hear where and who is spending your hard earned dollars ?? read below
The 44 politicians who represent taxpayers across Toronto spent nearly $2 million in office expenses, travel and overtime last year.
Councillors are each given a office budget of $53,100. Councillor Howard Moscoe was the biggest spender, ending the year with just $3 left unspent.
Most councillors say the money they spend is essential to meet the needs of the people they're elected to represent.
Councillor Giorgio Mammoliti racked up a 75 hundred dollar cell phone and pager bill, but he tells he has a good excuse. "I'm a politician, I talk for a living."
The office budgets are on top of the $84 715 dollar base salary for councillors along with $16 428 dollars in benefits.
I believe this is all going over many members' heads.. I think most are students here and a majority are not "that" deep or "merged" into the Canadian society.. Just work and home.. As I mentioned above before "work in Canada for ten -twenty years you are still in square one but at least better than Hindustan but in the Far East you are ready to retire with a fat offshore account in some place like Cayman Islands .[:D]
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| vin_diesel |
quote:
Originally posted by Jackal
I believe this is all going over many members' heads.. I think most are students here and a majority are not "that" deep or "merged" into the Canadian society...[:D]
tho bit of truth in da line...takes time... n for some ppl takes lotsa time... tho most of my frens r students....no1 knows abt da rae report even tho it was published n highly publicised.. |
| li_wing |
| in which country does Politicians not make money ????
everywhere is the same ....
there is money everywhere .... how to get it is up to YOU
[:D][:D][:D] |
| dctpl |
| Canada is a rotten country, your heart ...your soul.. everything in your head rots too.
Above all, you keep paying mortgage all your f-life and put on that lovely plastic smile
This guy is talking from experience and the real truth. For those who don't believe his words, you will say he is right when your time comes. So enjoy while your Dads can afford it. I am fed-up of this topic, no use lecturing here .... Full Stop. |
| li_wing |
| if canada was really such a bad country ....
the end question
why did so many people come here ...?
and many still wants to come here ....? |
| Jackal |
quote:
Originally posted by li_wing
if canada was really such a bad country ....
the end question
why did so many people come here ...?
and many still wants to come here ....?
Canada is for good for the refugees or the SUPER rich, not for the ones in the middle.. That's my conclusion. To be fair, I can say it is better than "loitering" the streets of Chinatown or riding a bike down Park Street with Dad's money in your pocket and no work.
Li-Wing, You want the true facts and answer to your question ?
Here it is : in BLACK and WHITE.
Editorial column of TORONTO STAR.
.
"" From the hard copy of the Toronto Star, 18 April 2004. I found it interesting that the federal government provides a single refugee with a monthly allowance of $1,890.00 and each can also get an additional $580.00 in social assistance for a total of $2,470.00.
This compares to a single pensioner who after contributing to the growth and development of Canada for 40 to 50 years can only receive a monthly maximum of $1,012.00 in old age pension and Guaranteed Income Supplement.
Maybe our pensioners should apply as refugees! Lets send this to all Canadians, so we can all be pissed off and maybe we can get the refugees cut back to $1,012.00 and the pensioners up to $2,470.00 and enjoy some of the money we were forced to submit to the Government over the last 40 or 50 years.""
I think this also answers Roger's question as to where the tax money goes. Simple question Roger, would you like to earn enough and have a million US$ safely tucked away in HSBC by the time you are 45 years old in the Far East, or do you wish to work "hand to mouth" all your life in the West and wait for a " Government DICTATED" pension scheme ( which is shrinking year after year )after you retire ?
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| Keith |
| Reverse the flow : Hop on to the next flight and get off in the Far East. |
| li_wing |
| [b]"To be fair, I can say it is better than "loitering" the streets of Chinatown or riding a bike down Park Street with Dad's money in your pocket and no work."[/b]
question for jackal
which class does that belong to ??? rich, middle or refugee ??? |
| edwardchiu |
| Slightly off topic: This debate's taken an uglier and uglier turn since that troll "dollar" pitched in with his irrelevant comparison of EU with Canada, which he later deleted... as usual. [L-)] Thank God he's been banned. Good riddance! [=D>]
Now, back to topic. It seems this debate is, increasingly, only about personal incomes. Let me tell you what I like about this place.
I like the fact that I won't be killed while crossing the road. India has perhaps the highest rate of pedestrian deaths.
I like snow removal and continuous road improvement. In India, not even rain water gets removed... even though it can flow away on its own. You don't need to do anything except provide gutters. And those don't exist adequately.
I like road signs in English, Greek, Italian, Chinese, Punjabi, Hindi, French, Hebrew, Swahili, Urdu, Arabic... etc. etc.! There are ethnic quarters everywhere and visitors can find their way easily around them. How is it in Taiwan? Or do they care about ethnic minorities there?
Let's face it. The big ideas of our times - democracy, human rights, quantum physics, multi-headed screwdrivers, mobile telephony, etc. etc. - have ALL come from Europe or North America, and Canada is solidly in this group. The manufacturing and refinement of the big ideas have gone east, but they have come up with no big ideas of their own. All their big ideas are refinements of Western big ideas.
I value intellectual freedom and creative thinking and I find that sorely lacking even in a world-class institution like IIT Delhi. We only did things right, we never did the right things. [;)] |
| Keith |
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'Hand to Mouth' existance includes owning a car, a house and travel in airplanes once in a while?
Why should one depends on Govt. pension? |
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