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| davidli2k |
Anyone saw the video of the Iraqis beheading Nick Berg?? Man, it was just too gross and inhumane. I actually saw the full uncut version on some website and it made my hairs stand on end 
This should come as a warning for anyone who wishes to travel to that country........
May Nick's soul rest in peace  |
| jennylee |
| Its a damn yucky video.. iraqis are soo inhuman... |
| Col. G-force |
| I believe the topic is kinda racist.
We shouldn't be branding the Iraqis as being cruel and inhummane just because of a few..
About prisoner abuse? American soldiers are so unethical?
Just a thought.. |
| kool_loving_babe |
| Americans deserve what they did to the Iraqis....but its sad too for the innocent Nick Berg. |
| kool_loving_babe |
| Hey David..which website is that..if you dont mind let me know..i wanna check out as well. |
| Keith |
| I think it is not just the Iraqis. If one has seen muslims at close quarters. What was done should not come as a shock.
The moors are famous for taking revenge a hundredfolds for wrongs / perceived insults to them.
When one hears these people cry 'Allah ho Akbar' Then, be afraid, I mean really frightened. |
| ally |
| it's really inhumane. don't they feel the yuckiness when they do that? sheesh when will there be peace? does their god allow that? wat the americans did is none of nick berg's fault. y did he have to suffer. sheesh wat is this world changing to? sad..... |
| vin_diesel |
| collateral damages of war.... nick berg didnt deserve dat... nor da prisoners of abu gharib.... but yeah i also feel where muslims are present ...therer r troubles....example kashmir chechnya indonesia phillipines now sudan and da middle east.
btw this is more of a statistical comment than a racist one! |
| roger |
| Either it is the maoist rebels or the muslim fanatism. There is something wrong with their religion, seriously.
I bet prophet mohameed preached correctly, just that these people mis-interpreting it.
There was a ruling in Malaysia that it is legal for a muslim-guy to divorce his wife thru SMS
Just name me one nice thing about the muslim religion.
Western world birth-rate is declining while this muslim people are still multiplying like rats, are they gonna take over us ? Right now, the statistics in Singapore is pointing to this trend. Indians and Malays are having 3~4 kids while chinese dont' have kid at all.
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| roger |
| regarding the Nick Berg videos, I believe that site was hosted in Malaysia and has been taken down |
| jennylee |
| I got the video bren... i think ahwing has it too.. ask him or when i see u online take it from me |
| MiBe |
I downlaoded the video and distributed to my friends so I am the source and you don't know.
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Originally posted by jennylee
I got the video bren... i think ahwing has it too.. ask him or when i see u online take it from me
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| edwardchiu |
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Originally posted by roger
Just name me one nice thing about the muslim religion.
How about two?
Ismaili and Sufi Muslims are very tolerant and they promote learning and philanthropy. The Ismailis, especially. They are required to donate 10 per cent to their leader, the Aga Khan, and you know what an urbane, modernise man he is.
As for Sufis, they're probably second in spiritualism only to Zen Buddhists. |
| li_wing |
| everything is fair in love and war ..... |
| kool_loving_babe |
| Hey Jenn i downloaded that video..and it made me sooo sick...i saw little bit,and the deleted it.
The Americans deserve what ever the Iraqis did. If it wasnt for Bush there wouldnt be any war and deaths today. So this beheading is just a sign of warning to the Americans. Better now mess around else get your white ass kicked. |
| dutyfree |
| Something good about the muslims??
Hmm... the food they prepare is awesome I must admit..biryani...kababs ....raaan and kheema... what abt the firni? lol
Hmm... they are also very clean in other sense..atleast thats what they say .. the male practices circumcision at a very young age..does that help? I leave it for u to decide.
They poessess a very strong emotional bond with their religion ...and its evident from a very young age..they seem to inculcate a very strict practice where prayers and faith are concerned..that they are willing to become martyrdoms for their religion. Also, I think drinking liquor is a strong NO-NO and considered a vice in their religion. |
| vin_diesel |
| they also suppose to preach universal brotherhood...whihc was one of da main reasons for its spread at least in india...during da caste systems!!! but then wen u look at it at da ground level da situation is really different......they also preach not to watch tv or something i read somewhere but do they...its by convienience... religion is jus an excuse... today muslims r very superficial i think....its like capitalism.....looks goood frm far sounds goood...but it ends up screwin things up for msot part! |
| jennylee |
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geez... and killing in the name of jihad .. i dont think its written anywhere in the Koran that one can kill people for religion..... its just an excuse they need to kill.. taking the name of religion and killing ppl.. especially in the video where they r taking the name of akbar and then slicing the throat of Nick.. They're just hiding behind their religion. If drinking is a sin for them.. then killing is a more greater sin.. geez wat kind of religion teaches u to kill but to abstain from drinking...
U think keeping 10 wives is good? I know a muslim widower who is like 60 yrs old or something and marrying a girl who is even younger than his 13th child ?? Is this robbing the cradle or wat.. lol.. |
| formosa |
i already post the link of the video at:
http://www.wowchinese.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=314
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http://www.bangedup.com/archives/ghfullversionchechclear.asf
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| roger |
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Originally posted by dutyfree
Something good about the muslims??
Hmm... the food they prepare is awesome I must admit..biryani...kababs ....raaan and kheema... what abt the firni? lol
Hmm... they are also very clean in other sense..atleast thats what they say .. the male practices circumcision at a very young age..does that help? I leave it for u to decide.
They poessess a very strong emotional bond with their religion ...and its evident from a very young age..they seem to inculcate a very strict practice where prayers and faith are concerned..that they are willing to become martyrdoms for their religion. Also, I think drinking liquor is a strong NO-NO and considered a vice in their religion.
Yes but is the above the "GOOD" points ?
And their religion praticsed circumcision long long time back, I dont' think the reason back then was for hygeine.
Only recently did scientist suggest circumcisions can prevent STD. |
| Col. G-force |
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geez... and killing in the name of jihad .. i dont think its written anywhere in the Koran that one can kill people for religion..... its just an excuse they need to kill.. taking the name of religion and killing ppl.. especially in the video where they r taking the name of akbar and then slicing the throat of Nick.. They're just hiding behind their religion. If drinking is a sin for them.. then killing is a more greater sin.. geez wat kind of religion teaches u to kill but to abstain from drinking...
U think keeping 10 wives is good? I know a muslim widower who is like 60 yrs old or something and marrying a girl who is even younger than his 13th child ?? Is this robbing the cradle or wat.. lol..
Sigh..
I wish you wouldn't blame the religion. Having had read introductions to different religions like Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam and Confuciansim, there is nothing wrong with religion. But it's the problem with the practitioners.
But I think 'Jihad' is mentioned somewhere in the Bible, but it is true that nowadays Jihad is more of a political reason than religious. The conflict between the Muslims and the West is a long one. Goes back to the Crusades, the Hundred Year War. Kinda like during the Medieval Ages, the Muslims ruled Asia, but after the Renaissance, Europe picked up and started colonising. The Western outlook and principles conflicted with the Muslims, and they looked upn the West as invaders and thus Zionists. The challenge that lies ahead for the religion of Islam is how to co-exist with modern concepts and principles. From the book I've read, the Muslims in the States are different fromn their counterparts in the Middle and South East Asia. Again, the Muslims in S.A. are different from those in Afghanistan. I've always believed religion is bad. Believe in what you want but don't force others to believe what you believe. We need co-existence if we want to survive for chrissakes!
As to keeping the wives, it's human instinct to want that many. Half the guys would prolly wish for as many if they could marry Muslim women provided they can support them. Specifically Muslim women cos they're umm... not feminists. Hehehehe..
No matters, everything comes down to.. we are humans. Borne to fault.
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| Keith |
| I READ THROUGH THE BIBLE AND FOUND NO MENTION OF JIHAD.
PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME. |
| edwardchiu |
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Originally posted by Keith
I READ THROUGH THE BIBLE AND FOUND NO MENTION OF JIHAD.
PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME.
That was fast. [:D]
Yes, God does direct followers to Jihad in the Bible, but all the passages are in the Old Testament while the New Testament has none. We are a forgiving religion now... [:-~]
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"When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations – the Hittites, Girgashiites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you – and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, for they will turn your sons away from following me to serve other gods, and the Lord’s anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you. This is what you are to do to them: Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles and burn their idols in the fire."
(Deuteronomy 7:1-5)
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When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labour and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, and children, the livestock and everything else in the city you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
(Deuteronomy, 20:10-15)
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| Col. G-force |
| Oops.. I seemed to have mistyped. I meant Quran. Anways, there's quite some similarities between Islam and Christianity. For example, the angel Gabriel, the monothesim concept,the resentment against idol worship and blah. The two religions are like brothers but ironically, they're up in arms against one another, or so it appears.. |
| kool_loving_babe |
| Four arrested in beheading of American
BAGHDAD - Coalition forces detained four suspects earlier this week in the Nicholas Berg killing and two were later released, a U.S. military spokesman said today.
The suspects were detained during a raid Wednesday in Baghdad, Brig.-Gen. Mark Kimmitt said at a news conference.
Earlier today, an Iraqi security official said four people were arrested in the Berg slaying a week ago in Salaheddin province, north of Baghdad, and that the head of the group responsible for the killing was led by a relative of Saddam Hussein.
It was unclear whether Kimmitt and the Iraqi security official, who requested anonymity, were referring to different groups of suspects.
Berg's decapitation was captured on a videotape that was released by his killers. His body was found May 8 near a highway overpass in Baghdad. He had last been seen on April 10 when he left his Baghdad hotel.
"Coalition forces conducted a raid to capture four individuals suspected of involvement in the Nicholas Berg assassination," Kimmitt said. "Four persons were detained and questioned. Two personnel were released and the other two are still being questioned."
"We may find out that they have no association with the murder but we will continue to question them for some period of time until we are convinced they are innocent," Kimmitt said.
He said he did not know who the suspects were and where they came from.
"I don't know their prior affiliations or prior organizations," he said. "We have some intelligence that would suggest they have knowledge, perhaps some culpability."
The Iraqi official said the suspects captured at a house in Salaheddin province were picked up May 14 and were former members of Saddam's Fedayeen paramilitary organization.
The province includes Tikrit, Saddam's hometown.
Another Iraqi official confirmed there were arrests in the Berg case, but would not comment further. The official also declined to be named.
The group that was involved in the killing of Berg was led by Yasser al-Sabawi, a nephew of Saddam Hussein, the Iraqi security official said. He said American intelligence had asked Iraqi authorities to hand over the suspects, but they were still in Iraqi hands.
Al-Sabawi was not among those arrested, the official said.
Iraqi police intelligence agents arrested the suspects as they arrived to "plot other major operations," the Iraqi official said without elaborating.
Four suspects had arrived early for the 7 p.m. meeting and were inside the house, waiting for a fifth associate who escaped arrest, he said.
Police seized weapons and explosives at the site. The Iraqi official said the informant who tipped off authorities was killed by unidentified gunmen the day after the arrests.
American officials have said they believe Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian wanted for allegedly organizing attacks on U.S. troops in Iraq on behalf of al-Qaida, personally carried out Berg's killing.
On Tuesday, Interior Minister Samir Shaker Mahmoud al-Sumeidi refused to comment on reports of arrests in the Berg case.
A video posted May 11 on an al-Qaida-linked website showed a bound Berg in an orange jumpsuit. He was sitting in front of five men, their faces masked, as one read an anti-American text.
After pushing Berg to the floor, the men severed his head with a knife and held it up for the camera. They said his death was in response to the torture, sexual abuse and killings of Iraqis at Abu Ghraib prison and elsewhere.
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| vin_diesel |
| col g force is rite...muslims r diff in diff parts of da world....eg turkey n afghanistan.....no offencebut most of da time u met muslims frm say canada...to an extent of usa..... go to india...meet some india muslims....they r sooo stuck up....n thye r suppose to be very moderate than da purely fundamentalist sharia following middle east nations n paki .....n for turkey its blessed wit being located so close to western european borders!!!...do i soudn racist....m not one...i think so...but then i dont like moslems.....thier very existence is like a reach back towards da middle ages.....da burqa thier attitude...sharia laws...religion before law.... but then there was a time wen christianity went thru da same phase....da church was once a powerful entity...able to fall an empire...light at da end of da tunnel? |
| Keith |
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Yes, God does direct followers to Jihad in the Bible, but all the passages are in the Old Testament while the New Testament has none. We are a forgiving religion now... [:-~]
Somehow, I could not connect the passages quoted with jihad.
I am trying to get this straight. Jhad means holy war. war in the name of religion.
The passages quoted are about nation building. A group of nomads in search of land to settle?? |
| edwardchiu |
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Originally posted by Keith
Somehow, I could not connect the passages quoted with jihad.
I am trying to get this straight. Jhad means holy war. war in the name of religion.
The passages quoted are about nation building. A group of nomads in search of land to settle??
It also directs all good Jews to kill or convert non-believers and destroy their holy places. |
| Keith |
| Could you please give me the biblical references for the killing of non-Jews? That there is a command from God that all non Jews are to be slaughtered.
I feel the passage quoted were part of nation building effrts by a group of nomads. It is far from the Jihad that we see today where there are suicide bombings and innocent people are killed indiscrimately.
In fact, the Bible is against suicide.
To say that bible sanctions Jihad, I feel is personal interpretation.
I beleive this interpretation is erroneous. The word 'Jihad' does not appear in the bible at all. |
| edwardchiu |
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Originally posted by Keith
Could you please give me the biblical references for the killing of non-Jews? That there is a command from God that all non Jews are to be slaughtered.
I feel the passage quoted were part of nation building effrts by a group of nomads. It is far from the Jihad that we see today where there are suicide bombings and innocent people are killed indiscrimately.
In fact, the Bible is against suicide.
To say that bible sanctions Jihad, I feel is personal interpretation.
I beleive this interpretation is erroneous. The word 'Jihad' does not appear in the bible at all.
Huh? Is the print too small? It can't be any clearer than that.
"... when... you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally."
"Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles and burn their idols in the fire."
"If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labour and shall work for you."
"...put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women... and everything else in the city you may take these as plunder for yourselves."
Where's the doubt? This is clearly Jihad - war declared in the name of God. Nomads trying to establish themselves don't destroy their hosts' homes and temples or kill all the men and claim their wives for themselves. The passages quoted can only be interpreted one way - that Jews must force their religion on the rest of the world in the name of their God. [bow] |
| kool_loving_babe |
| Theres one more now.... check it out
Video shows U.S. hostage
An Islamic web site showed videotape today of a blindfolded American hostage in Saudi Arabia, and said abductors threatened to kill him within 72 hours unless Al Qaeda prisoners are freed.
Paul Johnson, 49, of Stafford Township, N.J., was abducted Saturday by a group calling itself Al Qaeda in the Arabian peninsula. The organization is believed to be headed by Al Qaeda's chief in the kingdom, Abdullah-aziz el-Moqrin.
A statement on the web site also carried the name of Al Qaeda in the Arabian peninsula. It said the group gave Saudi authorities 72 hours to release "mujahadeen" militants or it would kill the hostage.
The tape, which was first aired by CNN, showed Johnson sitting in a chair in a T-shirt with his profile to the camera. It displayed his Lockheed Martin identification card. Johnson was employed by Lockheed Martin and worked on Apache helicopters.
Earlier today, Saudi security forces arrested a militant north of Riyadh as they stepped up their presence in and around the city in a hunt for Johnson's kidnappers.
The day he was seized, Islamic militants shot dead another American, Kenneth Scroggs, from Laconia, N.H., in his garage. Scroggs was the third Westerner killed in a week, after the shooting death of an Irish cameraman for the British Broadcasting Corp. on June 6 and another American who was killed in his garage June 8.
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[img]http://www.wowchinese.com/forum/upload/kool_loving_babe_040615_hostage2_250.jpg[/img]
I wonder what are these people upto...[:-?][:-?] |
| jennylee |
| Poor guy Paul Johnson. He got killed. Yucks Iraqis... |
| kool_loving_babe |
| Oops 2nd beheading.......waiting for the 3rd........HAT...Trick........[:-&] |
| ally |
| saw today on news a korean got kidnapped. this time it's not beheading. it's chopping off the hands. if the korean govt doesn't back off its forces they'll do it. the poor man was pleading to his govt. his voice was shaky. man these guys! wat on earth is wrong with them. about the beheading of johnson the islamic cleric in saudi arabia had warned the kidnappers that it's against the law of islam. |
| kool_loving_babe |
| Yeah i read the news about the korean man.....its soo sad...why are these people doing this???
Iraqis are getting way out of hand now.[:-&] |
| kool_loving_babe |
| Well the Korean man is now dead....he's been killed too......What a hat trick... |
| davidli2k |
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South Koreans reacted with shock and anger yesterday to the beheading of a hostage in Iraq by militants who killed him after Seoul refused their demand to withdraw its troops and scrap plans to send more.
US soldiers found the decapitated body of Kim Sun-il on Tuesday, five days after he was seized in Fallujah, west of Baghdad, by a group led by militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.
The group killed 33-year-old Kim, who had been shown in a video pleading for his life, after Seoul stood firm on keeping 670 South Korean medics and engineers in Iraq and on plans to send 3,000 troops to join US-led forces there.
A sombre President Roh Moo-hyun condemned the killing but said South Korea would send troops rather than bow to terrorism.
"I still feel heartbroken to remember that the deceased was desperately pleading for his life," Roh said, referring to the video showing a terrified Kim crying: "I don't want to die."
It's just so terrible......one can just imagine how scared and helpless Kim must have felt at the hands of his captors, knowing that he would be beheaded one way or the other. He was even pleading for his life.....
And the funny thing is Taiwan wanted to send troops to Iraq....I can just imagine when a Taiwanese gets abducted and meets the same fate as the others. Lucky the plan to send troops was scrapped. |
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